Dude, who even knows.

25th January 2023

Post reblogged from argumate with 213 notes

argumate:

miniar:

argumate:

cop-disliker69:

argumate:

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dude who has been obsessively following the pandemic for the past two years but got distracted over new year: hey I wonder how the pandemic is going

Since death rates don’t seem to be spiking very seriously, is this… basically a good thing? Is the whole country getting a minor infection and developing natural immunity, and the virus stabilizing into a stable equilibrium like the common cold virus (utterly endemic, every single man woman and child infected multiple times a year, but also largely harmless)?

the common cold viruses, and the (four?) other endemic coronaviruses that closely resemble their effects, yeah.

also all the kids shrugging it off today should be less vulnerable to it as adults.

…. except that isn’t how this virus works…

People are becoming worse with each reinfection.

are they though? why doesn’t that happen with colds and flus and the other endemic coronaviruses?

My working hypothesis is this is what the introduction of the other coronaviruses to the human ecosystem was like and after 200-1400 years of coevolving with it, the genetically vulnerable being felled before reproduction and the genetically defended left in stronger relative positions to support heirs, it’ll have about the same place

Tagged: covid

28th November 2022

Post with 18 notes

Tropes of Covid-worrier Twitter:

Shibboleths

  • “Covid is airborne!” - that the virus is spread through exhaled aerosols, not airborne moisture droplets or surface-tainting “fomites”. A point they were genuinely more right on than authorities early on that still has some application – that only N95-type masks or respirators reliably stop transmission, not fabric or paper surgical masks. However, largely an ingroup signal at this point, they seem to believe that authorities not pointedly declaring it apropos of nothing causes or constitutes failure.
  • Corsi-Rosenthal Boxes: a DIY air filter made of box fans and furnace filters, because above. They love these things and are always frustrated that schools and public places won’t welcome wild-eyed maniacs trying to set up their own homemade science fair projects everywhere.
  • CO2 testing: they carry around little CO2 monitors and are always tutting about how high the readings they get are, less in their own right than because it’s a clear sign of a poorly ventilated space where exhalations are not being cleared. Once again, makes them look like maniacs.
  • “SARS-CoV-2”: they kind of performatively always call Covid this, even using more characters of a tweet. I dunno if the intention was to differentiate the syndrome from the virus, or if putting it in the SARS lineage was supposed to draw on residual associations there, but by now it mostly seems like flaunting yourself as savvy.

Something there but iffy

  • That danger and damage increases with multiple infections. It is true that Danger(Case1 + Case2) > Danger(Case1), which means that Case2 (and subsequents) has some nonzero risk, but they often act like Danger(Case1) < Danger(Case2), which I don’t see as well established at all.

Pretty convinced

  • The danger of Covid now lies largely not in the initial “acute” respiratory infection, but in the chance of later “long Covid” progression to other organ systems, that may render the sufferer vulnerable to later mortality. Damaged heart muscles lead to later heart attacks; blood vessels to strokes & aneurysm; immune systems to later infection (as seems to be making this winter an atrocious pediatric respiratory infection season, or made Jair Bolsonaro an infection piñata). I myself can attest to later blood pressure swings that cause fainting. That this explains much of the increase in “all-cause mortality” above and beyond that attributed to Covid itself since the beginning of the pandemic.

Not convinced

  • Immunity from prior infections or immunization does not durably reduce the severity of future ones. This is out of keeping with the experience of other coronaviruses already in regular human circulation and mutating into new variants, which after caught repeatedly throughout life become trivial. My own experience has my current infection (somewhere from my 4th to 6th, producing symptom “echoes” of the “long” portions of 1 and 2) as the worst since 2, but 2 was much less harsh than 1 and 3-current was nothing. I suspect this might be a stronger case against the background of a generally decreasing trend of severity. Also it might be the case that immunity wanes so subsequent cases are easier if they occur before it wears off (and leaves new immunity of its own), in which case attempts to stop any particular case with masking, isolation, or air treatment might make population-level health worse by lengthening average time between infections past acquired immunity duration.
  • “Schools should have been reworking their ventilation systems for anti-viral effect!” My father was the solicitor for our school district, in which capacity one of the things he worked with was contracting. At one point the district upgraded ventilation systems in maybe a third of their secondary schools at once. From scoping through passing a bond, soliciting and evaluating bids to work completion (when the construction market was slack enough for contractors to hire labor and buy materials cheap) was 8 years. In a small subset of schools, that already had ductwork at all, in a rich school district where the bond passed on the first try. To attempt this for every school building in the US – let alone other public places – would likely exceed the national HVAC construction capacity for decades. The only precedent I can think of, the drive to rework hospital ventilation systems against Legionnaires, affected far fewer buildings and institutions that were then fairly flush with income streams atop the healthcare economy, still required extensive federal subsidy, and was ongoing decades later.

Tagged: long covidcovidcoronavirus2022it's social media

25th September 2021

Question reblogged from Kontextmaschine with 13 notes

Anonymous asked:

Oh you’re a Long COVID guy now? Gonna be having some issues with IBS, gluten sensitivity and Lyme disease next, I bet.

kontextmaschine:

I had an uncle who actually was Celiac in the ‘90s, he eventually realized maybe beer could give him headaches but bread? We passed on a breadmaker we had once gotten into but making dishes for extended family dinners was tough from then out.

Also, you realize the last big epidemic in America before AIDS was Polio? “It fucks with your nerves” is well-precedented

Tagged: COVIDpolio