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29th November 2022

Post reblogged from Marta Monica Jaramillo Restrepo AKA La Tuti with 4,386 notes

trans-axolotl:

what the mayor of new york is doing with psych hospitalization is not a new application of the way psych wards are used–psych survivors know this and we’ve been talking about it for decades the way that involuntary hospitalization is used as a form of social control, and the power and danger that a mental illness diagnosis holds. what is frightening about the way the mayor is talking about this is the way he is giving this quiet rhetoric legitimacy and a voice. psych professionals have been using involuntary hospitalization as a form of incarceration for a long fucking time, and as psych survivors know, you can get hospitalized involuntarily for Many things beyond just “being a danger to yourself or others.” what’s making me nervous right now is that this likely will lead to more interactions between police and homeless people where police feel emboldened to enforce even more options of incarceration. I think it is important to understand that New York is not the only place doing this and in fact this is the way involuntary hospitalization generally operates. New york is not an aberration: the whole system is intended to work like this and is completely fucked, which is why we need to be fighting for psych abolition and building in mad liberation to our understanding of prison abolition.

Hm, at least the classic men in white coats (the ones coming to take you away, ha-haaa) were like, asylum orderlies, not cops, with sedative syringes, not guns.

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  9. livelist said: 4 as always, continue to be curious and listen to the perspectives of actual mad people/psychotics and their experiences, to the people who have personally experienced institutions, and to the differences between cultures and systems around the world. Peace & love.
  10. livelist said: 3 weren’t being threatened all the time w starvation, homelessness, & abuse, you wouldnt put up w abusive jobs w shit pay & dangerous conditions. If the help we provided was actually helpful, people would be lining up. Nobody “likes” to be depressed, psychotic, etc. But treatments we have are profoundly ineffective. Not to mention the conditions they are provided in being terrifying, abusive, or worse. They cause trauma that worsens episodes. Genuine compassion &consistent resources are needed
  11. livelist said: 2 homeless, which includes essentially constant threats, danger, hunger, thirst, and discomfort. If we simply provided basic needs without institutionalized limitations, the vast vast majority of “scary mad people” would have dramatic eleviation of their suffering and symptoms. However, the existance of “scary homeless” is necessary to uphold a capitalist system. They exist as the threat. Keep working, or else youll end up “like that.” Our society will not provide support, because if you
  12. livelist said: @lavender-eyed-lies yeah. So heres the thing. #1, prison is already the largest mental health institution in the country. Also, mentally ill people are FAR more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than the perpetrators. The alternative ways to help people are abundant. For instance, look at how Finland ended homelessness by simply providing housing, no strings attached. Mental Illness “episodes” are almost always caused by stress, notably the immense and unimaginable stress of being 1
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  19. lavender-eyed-lies said: 2/2 The institutions that hold these folks so they can get treatment to come down from whatever episode they’re having Then what IS the alternative? A lot of us have the upmost sympathy for the homeless in these situations but that also extends to the people the mentally ill person hurts even when they don’t mean to & can’t function to control themselves. There needs to be an alternative sure but what can be done if someone is behaving dangerously & refuses to get help
  20. lavender-eyed-lies said: I think the issue comes in when you’ve got two different problems, the treatment of mentally ill homeless who are not a danger to others and the mentally ill people who ARE a danger to others and themselves tbh. If someone is hearing voices and waving a knife around on the tube, the answer isn’t to wait until they’ve stabbed someone to haul them off to jail but they aren’t going to go willingly anywhere, hence the knife waving, folks want to know if we abolish ½
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