[ @sadoeconomist ]

Modern nonmonogamy isn’t the same thing as traditional polygyny, polyandry is part of the deal as well, each horde of futureless young men can share a girlfriend/khaleesi

Yeah I’m not betting civilization on that given how rare it is historically compared to traditional polygyny, and I know you will never, ever agree to any sort of security mechanism such as “for every polygynous marriage there must be a corresponding polyandrous marriage.”

Restless young men is one of those things correlated with civil disorder, like this is textbook political science taught in university political science classes, here’s an article from The Economist, even.

There’s no point having an incel uprising for this, and trying to make it work the other way by increasing the number of women will screw up the neurotype distribution. 

We can revisit the matter once bodies and sexualities are more mutable.

“For every polygynous marriage there must be a corresponding polyandrous marriage” I think you just accidentally invented the greatest fanfiction trope ever.

“I know a guy who wants to marry his three weed-smoking girlfriends and so to help him out we all need to pretend to be married, and there’s only one bed’

Anyway every anti-poly argument has a corresponding anti-gay argument and the restless young men thing reminds me of the once-extremely-common argument that allowing homosexuality would destroy civilization by catastrophically lowering birthrates and that’s why the government has a legitimate interest in suppressing it by force. As though 100% of the population would become gay immediately once it was legally allowed. Did you notice your implication here that most monogamously married women would actually prefer to become Chad Thundercock’s nth wife instead of staying married to their beta soyboy husbands? I feel like if that were true it’d be a stronger argument for polyamory than anything else I could come up with.

The thing that’s actually causing the violence in South Sudan and ‘polygamous regions of Indonesia’ referenced by what I could read of that paywalled article isn’t polyamory, it’s very clearly sectarian conflict involving a certain religion that coincidentally allows polygyny that university political science textbooks and Economist columnists aren’t legally allowed to blame for anything.

Young men in Western societies who have no prospect of ever possibly having a relationship with any woman typically only cause violence and civil disorder in League of Legends.

Instead of increasing the number of women to deal with this supposed restless young men problem, let’s do the next best thing, let’s randomly select young men to receive thousands of hours of Pornhub sissification hypnosis video training, so that each household in the future will be made up of a man, his harem, and their staff of femboy maids - an extremely stable and harmonious social arrangement, according to anime I have watched.

This suggestion seems stupidly evil. Nonconsensual mental modification (if it worked) would be a crime on the same level as murder (or possibly higher). I don’t think anyone who would even half-jokingly suggest such a thing seems likely to be worth engaging with. (I have blocked sadoeconomist; I would have to be extremely surprised by what they have to say next to make me believe that it could be worth hearing.) Furthermore, the suffering of those who can’t find a partner due to macrosociological effects is real and not OK to mock. In times of economic iniquity it’s often poor men, but in the aftermath of war or plague it can also be women.

I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that areas with fucked-up, violent gender relations have fucked-up, violent culture more generally, and vice-versa. I believe it’s common for violent young men in e.g. South Sudan to profess the difficulty of obtaining a wife as motivation for their violence; I seriously don’t understand the way of thinking that would deny their stated motivations.

Given that it seems straightforward to draw a line of inference from polygyny -> young men can’t marry -> young men become more violent -> society at large becomes more violent and chaotic, it seems reasonable enough to suggest a ban on polygyny (and therefore polygamy generally, because equality) for social harmony reasons.

@carchasm blocked me over this post; fuck them as well as sadoeconomist, I guess. Kinda bitter to lose someone you’d had positive interactions with, but so it goes, I guess. Maybe I’m too harsh, I don’t know.