On about the 6th of May, 1843, a Grand Review of the Nauvoo Legion was held in Nauvoo. The Prophet Joseph Smith complimented them for their good discipline and evolutions performed. The weather being hot, he called for a glass of water. With the glass of water in hand, he said: “I will drink to your toast to the overthrow of the Mobocrats,” which he did in the following language:“
“Here’s wishing they were in the middle of the sea in a stone canoe with iron paddles and that a shark swallowed the canoe and the Devil swallowed the shark and himself locked up in the northwest corner of Hell, the key lost and a blind man hunting it.”
The next morning a man who heard the Prophet give the toast returned to visit the mansion of the Prophet and so abused him with bad language that he was ordered out by the Prophet. It was while the two were out that my attention was attracted to them, and hearing the man speaking in a loud tone of voice, I went towards them, the man finally leaving. There were then present the Prophet, Theodore Turley and myself [Edwin Rushton]. The Prophet began talking to us of the mobbings and deriding and persecutions we as a people had endured, “but we will have worse things to see. Our persecutors will have all the mobbings they want. Don’t wish them any harm, for when you see their sufferings you will shed bitter tears for them.”
While this conversation was going on we stood by his south wicket gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something of the future. I will speak in a parable like unto John the Revelator. You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.” When the Prophet said, “You will see it,” I said, “Where will you be at that time?” He said, “I shall never go there. Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse, but you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst parts of the law so they will not hurt you so much. You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.” At that time the Prophet’s countenance became sad, because as he said, “I love the Constitution; it was made by the inspiration of God; and it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse, and by the Red Horse who will combine in its defense. The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals and they will become rich (at this time, it must be remembered, the precious metals were not known to exist in either the Rocky Mountains or California). You will see silver piled up in the streets. You will see the gold shoveled up like sand. Gold will be of little value then, even in a mercantile capacity; for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation. The time will come when the banks of every nation will fall and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasure. This place will be the White Horse and England’s vaults. A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such has never been seen before; for the land will be left without a Supreme Government, and every specie of wickedness will be practiced rampantly in the land. Father will be against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder, and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place. People will be taken from the earth and there will be peace and love only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds of thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be Saints, but for safety and because they will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for want of seed, time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities for there will be no escape except only by escaping and fleeing to Zion. Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization. The Turkish Empire of the Crescent will be the first power to be disputed, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land. The Lord took the best blood of the nations and planted them on the small islands now called England and Great Britain and gave them power in the nations for a thousand years and their power will continue with them that they may keep the balance of power; and they will keep Russia from sweeping her power over the world. England and France are now bitter enemies but they will be allied together and be united to keep Russia from conquering the world. The two popes, Greek and Catholic, will eventually come together in their decline and be united. The Protestant Religions do ot know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bill and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch who could do so at that time and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him. One of the peculiar features in England is the established Redcoat; a uniform making so remarkable a target to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known to them some day as red is seen in a different color threading through under all history. The lion and the unicorn of England comes from there being so much blood of Israel in the nation. While the terrible things of which I have mentioned are going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood and history will be more properly understood. England and France will unite together to make peace, not to subdue the nations. She will find this nation so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no reasonable government. Then it will appear to the other nations, or powers, as though England had taken possession of the country. The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join them for they have fear of becoming slaves again; knowing that England did not believe in slavery, they will flee to them that they believe will make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.” Here the Prophet said that he could not bear to look longer upon the scenes as shown to him in vision and he asked the Lord to close the scenes.
Continuing, he said: “During this time the Great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to gather the honest in heart from among the Pale Horse, or people of the United States, to stand by the Constitution of the United States as it was given by the inspiration of God. In these days which are yet to come God will set up a Kingdom never to be thrown down, but other Kingdoms to come into it, and those Kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached in their lands will be humbled until they will.”
“England the Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Holland and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among the people which must be gathered out. Those nations will submit to the nations of God. England will be the last of the nations to surrender, but when she does she will do it as a whole in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility knows that the gospel is true, but it has not pomp enough, and grandeur and influence for them to yet embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God or come into it until they see the power it will have. Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by the Guardians, the White and Red Horses. The coming of the Messiah among his people will be so natural that only those who see him will know that he has come, but he will come and give his laws unto Zion and minister unto his people. This will not be his coming in the clouds of Heaven to take vengeance on the wicked of the world.”
“The temple in Jackson county, Missouri, will be built in that generation. The saints will think that there will not be time to build it, but with all the help you can receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have all the gold, silver, and precious stones you need, for these things will only be for the beautifying of the temple. Also, all the skilled mechanics you want and the Ten Tribes of Israel will help build it. When you see this land bound with iron, you may look forward to Jackson county.”
At this point, he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision were still in view, he said: “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese unless great care and protection be given.” Speaking of the heathen nations, he said: “Where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them. Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion. The last great struggle that Zion will ever have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God. Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog. The nations of the earth will be led by the Russian Czar and his power will be great, but all opposition will be overcome and this land will be the Zion of our God. Amen.”
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Well, my mind’s been buzzing a few days and I’m sure I’m a little sleep-deprived from the insomnia, it would be pretty classic to crash this run into honest-to-god prophecy and possible Mormon conversion
But you know I can kind of speak as a divine channel when I’m like this, or when I was coming down from LSD
And I have been able to commune with something since I came to Oregon, I feel it especially when I ride the motorcycle out into the country, stronger as I went east to Missoula, it felt like America.
Coming back Northern Idaho clearly felt dedicated to Jesus, which I wasn’t as comfortable with as America, and the guy in my Sandpoint story was convinced that it was divine providence that brought us together.
And I do regularly read the future, and find myself proved right.
So I may as well take a shot at interpreting this as if it were true and apposite and about to happen (which is how you’re supposed to interpret prophecy, obviously). So.
“I will drink to your toast to the overthrow of the Mobocrats,” which he did in the following language:“
“Here’s wishing they were in the middle of the sea in a stone canoe with iron paddles and that a shark swallowed the canoe and the Devil swallowed the shark and himself locked up in the northwest corner of Hell, the key lost and a blind man hunting it.”
So, Prophet and Mormon founder Joseph Smith’s being period-political. (The mobs being those clowns in Congress or the literal mobs that chase him out of town, I dunno.) But then, prophecy:
Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse, but you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst parts of the law so they will not hurt you so much.
Friends being Supreme Court Justices? Senators? Presidents? Deep state operatives?
You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.
“strangers and commissioners”
At that time the Prophet’s countenance became sad, because as he said, “I love the Constitution; it was made by the inspiration of God; and it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse, and by the Red Horse who will combine in its defense.
The hell is the Red Horse? Natives would be one option. Together the White and Red Horses form the new indigenous Americans?
The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals and they will become rich. You will see silver piled up in the streets. You will see the gold shoveled up like sand.
The federal government owns a huge chunk of the mountain and western states and keeps them relatively reserved from development and extraction, this is a huge issue in the region behind the Sagebrush Rebellion and recent actions by Cliven Bundy, a Mormon who claims to be acting in accordance with revelation to prevent civil war
Gold will be of little value then, even in a mercantile capacity; for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation
::sigh:: Bitcoin?
Labor-hours? Piety? “Something to do”. Other than spending gold?
The time will come when the banks of every nation will fall and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasure. This place will be the White Horse and England’s vaults.
Yes, Brexit Britain would need to do something to reclaim its financial supremacy. Opening its vaults to all as a refuge sounds about right. Or is it just that those are the only places without ruinous inflation?
A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such has never been seen before; for the land will be left without a Supreme Government, and every specie of wickedness will be practiced rampantly in the land.
huh
Father will be against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother.
A generational war, not a war between brothers
The most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder, and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place.
huh
People will be taken from the earth and there will be peace and love only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds of thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be Saints, but for safety and because they will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for want of seed, time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed
Refugees, but only 6 figures worth? “In danger of famine”, though. Saved because of the Mormons’ extensive personal and communal food stocks?
Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities for there will be no escape except only by escaping and fleeing to Zion. Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization.
The refugees are peaceful and appreciate Mormonism as social technology
The Turkish Empire of the Crescent will be the first power to be disputed, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land
Does that mean Turkey - the Crescent on the flag? Or another successor of the Ottomans? Saudi Arabia, the Crescent as “Islam”? ISIS or Iraq, the Fertile Crescent? What’s the Holy Land - Jerusalem? Mecca? America?
Turkey and Saudi Arabia have been disputed lately, the Turks might consider the overthrow of Kemalism as “freedom given for the Gospel to be preached”. I hear the guy who just couped Saudi is liberalizing it and allowing non-Muslim religions.
The two popes, Greek and Catholic, will eventually come together in their decline and be united.
The Archbishop of Athens and all Greece is currently Ieronymous II
The Ecumenical Patriarch, in Constantinople, is currently Bartholomew I
The Catholic Pope is currently Francis I
Francis has moved on reuniting with the Orthodox churches, Bartholomew I was the first patriarch since the Great Schism to attend the papal installation ceremony since the Great Schism of 1054.
One of the peculiar features in England is the established Redcoat; a uniform making so remarkable a target to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known to them some day as red is seen in a different color threading through under all history.
The God-chosen task of England was to… address… communism? That’s the red with a meaning other than blood that starts threading through under all history after this prophecy.
While the terrible things of which I have mentioned are going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood and history will be more properly understood. England and France will unite together to make peace, not to subdue the nations. She will find this nation so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no reasonable government. Then it will appear to the other nations, or powers, as though England had taken possession of the country.
So England will be neutral as the rest of the world falls apart? Or just America and everyone else goes off the gold standard and devalues without dollars as reserve currency? And as America becomes a failed state England ultimately intervenes in coalition with France to “stabilize” it, scare quotes in the original revelation.
The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join them for they have fear of becoming slaves again; knowing that England did not believe in slavery, they will flee to them that they believe will make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.” Here the Prophet said that he could not bear to look longer upon the scenes as shown to him in vision and he asked the Lord to close the scenes.
So, England (raking in gold as an independent island safe haven in a chaotic world)… sponsors an American race war? The Black Horse - African-Americans as a nation? People somewhere else who were slaves once before? Being used to resettle the wrecked America? They’re the front line of a brutal occupation? Extermination? British colonialism often used previously underdog tribes as agents to rule over former dominant ethnicities, sometimes it dropped tribes from Colony A to occupy Colony B, like the Gurkhas.
Continuing, he said: “During this time the Great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to gather the honest in heart from among the Pale Horse, or people of the United States, to stand by the Constitution of the United States as it was given by the inspiration of God. In these days which are yet to come God will set up a Kingdom never to be thrown down, but other Kingdoms to come into it, and those Kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached in their lands will be humbled until they will.”
So the Pale Horse are American normies? The ones white enough but not as white as the White Horse/Mormons (Utah disproportionately of English ancestry, BTW) The worthy will be gathered from them, and the disunified states that attempt to bar evangelists will be pressured to yield. The popes reuniting, and the Mormon emissaries go out, those are the only things that seem to be clear prerequisites left here to judge if this is coming true, everything else is vague description or arguably fulfilled already.
“England the Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Holland and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among the people which must be gathered out. Those nations will submit to the nations of God. England will be the last of the nations to surrender, but when she does she will do it as a whole in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power.
“England the Germany”, I don’t know if that’s an error, or introduced where. “England and Germany” from a poor OCR scan or human transcription error would make perfect sense. “England the Germany” could be understood as “Anglo-Saxon England”, maybe. The only Google hit that’s not just an artifact of sentence construction and punctuation is this, about the English national football team giving the Nazi salute to honor Hitler in 1938, and that clearly should have been an “and”.
So the northern European Protestant countries submit to… well who are the nations of God here? Is that Zion, the White Horse/Red Horse/Not Because They Would be Saints refugee coalition? Is it “the nations that still believe”, which today could be the Muslim nations or maybe the Visegrad nations.
One reading is that these countries go Muslim, and the old stock populations will flee to the Rocky Mountain white ethnostate. Another is that this was an alliance that joined France/England and they surrender to Zion/Team White+Red. Another is the EU gets shattered from the east while it’s trying to maintain this trans-Atlantic occupation.
England will do it as a whole, as she threw off the Catholic power. Like all at once? Or like as a united unit? The English Reformation overlaps with the incorporation of Wales and Ireland so it could include the entirety of Ireland, or maybe lose Wales. It wouldn’t be united with Scotland yet.
And is England still allied with France and the Black Horse at this point?
The nobility knows that the gospel is true, but it has not pomp enough, and grandeur and influence for them to yet embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God or come into it until they see the power it will have.
The American nobility - 1%ers? The coastal elite? won’t join the Mormons ‘cause they’re too low-status, until it’s clear they’ll win out. Or this is referring back to one of the previous scenarios, the NW Euro nobility refusing to join Visegrad or Islam but giving in for power?
Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by the Guardians, the White and Red Horses. The coming of the Messiah among his people will be so natural that only those who see him will know that he has come, but he will come and give his laws unto Zion and minister unto his people. This will not be his coming in the clouds of Heaven to take vengeance on the wicked of the world.
Are “The Guardians” the White and Red horses together, or a third thing? The redoubt stays peaceful, a messiah quietly appears to refound and consolidate the nation with no revenge. I mean, that’s one take. “So natural”. Maybe “natural” had different valences back then? Nature boy? He comes on the internet but only IRL people notice?
The temple in Jackson county, Missouri, will be built in that generation. The saints will think that there will not be time to build it, but with all the help you can receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have all the gold, silver, and precious stones you need, for these things will only be for the beautifying of the temple.
The Mormons maintain an empty lot for this purpose. Presumably, they have materials and equipment stockpiled and crews on standby, that seems like their thing.
Also, all the skilled mechanics you want and the Ten Tribes of Israel will help build it. When you see this land bound with iron, you may look forward to Jackson county.
Manufacturing comes back? Skilled labor immigrants? The midcentury middle class? And who are the Ten Tribes of Israel here? Jews living outside the State of Israel? Black Israelites? Is this where the black part of Mormon America centers on? Someone else?
Does “land bound with iron” mean unfree? When you are unfree, look to this midwestern Mormon outpost, an advance from the Rocky Mountain redoubt? Does it mean there are railroad tracks laid? Is it a legend guiding refugees? When you see this look forward, that’s the way to Jackson County?
“There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese unless great care and protection be given.”
California? Cascadia? Korea? Japan? They must take care? The Zion-state needs to preemptively form an alliance to defend them? Or would that be an aggressive move showing a lack of great diplomatic care?
Speaking of the heathen nations, he said: “Where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them. Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion.
Hm. Is “heathen nations” overseas or the post-American states? They won’t be punished for atrocities they committed in the chaos? But the reconstituted America DOES go to war in the far abroad?
The last great struggle that Zion will ever have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God. Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog. The nations of the earth will be led by the Russian Czar and his power will be great, but all opposition will be overcome and this land will be the Zion of our God. Amen.
“Gog and Magog” are the traditional enemies in the apocalypse, sometimes they’re individual people, sometimes peoples or lands, they tend to range around Iran, Syria, and the post-Soviet states. With strong Russia at the head.
What the hell is the Red Horse, though, that makes all the difference.