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cadehildreth.com/gender-… roboticutie said:
cadehildreth.com/gender-… roboticutie said:
And sex itself is not a strict binary! roboticutie said:
etymonline.com/word/ge… roboticutie said:
And in fact the word ‘gender’ itself was not used synonymously with 'physical sex’ until the 1900’s… Meaning the word gender itself has had varying definitions in human history. Gender is not immutable, language is flexible, roboticutie said:
agender.info/#vocab roboticutie said:
Here is a list of gender and sexuality terms, note that several were coined and popularized pre-internet boom and many pre-2000’s (ex. the word transgender was from 1965! And other terms were used long before it. There’s nothing wrong with new language being invented as more people connect around the world to discuss post 00’s this either in my opinion) It’s a decent place to jump from to learn more if you’re interested in any one of these terms: roboticutie said:
for a better understanding of this issue:
On two-spirit being coined officially offline:
wordorigins.org/big-lis… roboticutie said:
Unsurprisingly humans have always been humans and there’s nothing new under the sun, not even gender nonconformity or transition. You just have to look. But you won’t, will you? Because you’re a coward who would rather hide and deny than admit that you were taught incorrectly about this stuff. So far, you’d rather be wrong and defensive than learn better. Have fun not knowing shit about what you try to act tough on. Or! Feel free to use these links as a jumping off point roboticutie said:
hormones in the first place! Back to the many different intersex conditions, some of which are even treated with HRT, thus rending the strict definition of men’s and women’s healthcare that you like so much medically obsolete and dangerous.
Also it’s really, really easy to find history on various gender presentations pre-internet. roboticutie said:
@oxfordcommaforever says the person who links to a livescience.com page on chromosomes, instead of bothering to do any research on any claims you make. And I’m the one regurgitating things? 🙄 linking to a page on chromosomes brings us back to: there are men born w dicks w medical disorders that then put them in the position of needing “women’s healthcare” bc of guess what…. Chromosonal abnormalities having part in bodily development, completely untouched by artificial 
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That being said about the term two-spirit: it’s still not weird and two-spirit is a perfectly viable term that was made out of necessity bc gender continues to be more complex than a white, British-based idea of one or the other, esp for indigenous folks, and always has been. Just because you have a colonial mindset on it doesn’t mean you’re the one who’s right. roboticutie said:
@oxfordcommaforever If you barely skimmed it, no point in you responding because I literally covered what you just said w my last response! Also, two spirit is a modern word coined in the 90’s and relationship to one’s gender was more complex before colonists forced them to adopt the male/female dichotomy you and I know today. THAT’S what’s weird. If ur not gonna read, don’t bother responding 🙄 
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antagonistic towards them? As long as you cling on to your pre-built idea that it’s inherently bad to consider transgender people capable within medical capacities to understand their issues for themselves, you won’t ever be able to actually understand the conversation. roboticutie said:
as concerned about the hormonal aspect as you’d like to appear.
There is evidence that this is safe and the only reason you haven’t seen it is because you are focused on your own preconceived idea of how any of this works rather than actually caring to learn. When was the last time you asked an endocrinologist who works with trans patients about the efficacy and safety of their methods? Or asked a trans person how HRT has affected their bodies and lives without being roboticutie said:
maintain safe levels and a healthy body, same goes for puberty blockers. There are many older trans people (40/50+) who have been on hormones for more than a decade and remain healthy. Plus, HRT has been used as birth control and treatment for various bodily dysfunctions in cisgender people for several decades. Yet you don’t seem to care much in those cases since you don’t bring them up as a problem alongside this, even in the case of minors. Seems like you might not be roboticutie said:
doctor. Children can’t just buy hormones over the counter and pump themselves full of it, parents cannot just pump their children full of it against their will, and doctors cannot just “pump them full of it” after jumping through every hoop to get there with everyone’s consent either. There are strict endocrinal processes and continuous observational tests everyone on HRT undergoes for the rest of their time undergoing HRT (sometimes lifelong, sometimes not) in order to roboticutie said:
their own consent as a legal adult. In order to start hormone blockers, it’s as young as 12 with both the child and an adult consenting, which has been shown to be safe and not effect the original puberty course if the adult and child choose to go through with this instead of HRT later. In many states you must also get the consent of one or more professionals such as therapists aside from yourself, your legal guardian if a minor, your endocrinologist, and your primary roboticutie said:
case where they do not feel they have to then they should be able to do what they want, but y'know. At that point agree to disagree on free will. Whatever.
Furthermore, there still isn’t a culture of pumping children full of hormones to change who they are!
Do you know how old someone has to be, on average, in the United States and Canada to start hormone replacement therapy? 16 with both the teenager and an adult consenting, not solely at the minor’s whim, and 18 with roboticutie said:
science in history to do this, bodily modifications and alterations in general appearance to be in line with differing cultural norms for what we’d consider nontraditional genders within our modern culture were actually normal in theirs. That was a part of many cultures. The updated science only adds another layer to the ability to alter ones gendered perception. And anyways, within our modern day culture I still believe if they want to change their bodies even in the roboticutie said:
of more and more people feeling that they must in order to avoid violence and danger and discrimination rather than actually helping people recognize they don’t have to medically alter their bodies in order to be safe and happy. Because right now that is just not true, because of expectations of manhood and womanhood inline with your own, we are not safe without hiding as cisgender people day-to-day (which often requires HRT). Also just because we didn’t have the same roboticutie said:
into the mix. Labelling anything as strictly mens or womens health will ALWAYS put people in danger and lead to wrongful death.
Your next point is something I already addressed but can address more obviously: There comes a time where the natural human behavior of bodily modification merges with modern scientific breakthroughs. One does not HAVE to medically transition as a trans person, but viewpoints in line with your own contribute to the problem roboticutie said:
been men who can menstruate, even within your definitions of what makes a man, is medically and historically false. To push this notion is to put people’s lives in danger when the question of whether or not they deserve accessible medical care comes up, or if they’ll even realize it applies to them if they’re a man. The disparity in breast cancer mortality in men vs women is easily one of the most obvious examples of this, without even bringing trans or intersex issues roboticutie said:
@oxfordcommaforever In pointing out that syndrome, I’m giving you evidence that even within the strict definition of “male” or “female” you favor there are naturally occuring cases that do not apply. There are a broad range of naturally occuring instances beyond that one example syndrome that renders this idea, even medically speaking, dangerous to people who haven’t undergone any procedures for gender affirmation at all. Claiming that there are no men and never have 
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